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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:37:40 -
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On terms of Vets being mean to Newbies, Some are, some aren't
You just hear more about the bad because people will spread bad news faster than good.
On the topic of Honour. Honour is completely based on perspective, I find it 'honourable' or better termed respectable when people are willing to fight, rather than stay docked up all day, but some people say it's smart to stay docked up because you'll probably lose.
Honour is dead because the culture of EVE is vast, and a lot of peoples definition of honour is different.
As a Wardeccer, I've stright chased a venture in a Cerb, alphaed the poor thing off the field then did again after chasing the dude around, most would consider this harassment and griefing. I just considered it a part of the game. If you join a player corp, you sign an invisible waiver that says: I accept that I can be AWOXED Wardecced stolen from, taken advantage of from this point. Weather I understand it or not.
On the flip side, I've paid for ships which I've blown to pieces, offered advice to new people, and some of the people I blown up, are not apart of my corp, having fun. I play EVE, in the same way, not caring about if the player is 10 years or 1 day old. It honestly doesn't matter because a new player can easily kill me if the right steps are taken.
Once I was campnig the amarr undock, and a little mining barge was trying to warp away, I was in a Phobos and judging my the player multiple attempts to run, he didn't understand that a phobos could infinity-point him. After he 5th or so attempt he died. So I convo'ed him and asked him why he kept trying to run.
He didn't understand why he couldn't run and was under the impression we had had hacked the game. =S
However after explaining to what happened, he apologized for the accusation. And So I sent him 100mil isk and taught him how to create insta-undocks, and gave him a few URL's to guides that would help him in the short and long run. In my notes, I actually have saved sites to give to people who don't know what they are doing.
So, not all people who are merc and Highsec suspect gamers, are not 'Griefers' They just so happen to be tired of listening the same dribble about how they are ruining the game. They all started in the same place you did. But have learned in a quicker fashion that sometimes EVE isn't fair.
If I happened to be on your losemail, convo me and I ask me; 'how can I prevent this from happening again?' or have any general questions in general I can help you stop that.
However if you call me a psychopath, a griefer, so on and so forth all your going to is make me angry. And all the accomplishes is making yourself more of a target then benefiting you.
Losing things in EVE is an integral part of the game, have people around you to teach you why you've lost, and why you should it do it again, or how you can turn the tables, is of the utmost and highest importance to the game.
My ramblings on the subject anyways,.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:14:19 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:
Its called 'benefit of the doubt' by the way.
actually its called naive or gullible  In your (sad?) world it probably does. In others it can start long lasting friendships and other worthwhile things. In the OP's case it unfortunately backfired. But bless him/her for at least giving someone that option.
And why is that sad?
Because what he does in the game different from the theme park you wish it to be?
Or is it because he understands what EVE is? Where you can be a villain?
Where you think Moral codes and Noble actions should be apart of Game Decisions?
Or because you think you are entitled to be left to play in your own private sandbox?
Where as the rest EVE happily plays together, Even though some might not like the castles others are building?
HTFU
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:17:06 -
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Quote:Where you think Moral codes and Noble actions should be apart of Game Decisions?
Nowhere.... They SHOULD be part of YOU! But that concept seems lost on some of my fellow players... unfortunately.
The fact the you bring Real Life concepts into a video game, should be worrying.
The fact that you can't differentiate actions in a video game, and actions in real life, is worrying.
The fact that you think that Video game action translate into real life behaviour or attitude. Is worrying.
Just because I play Call Of Duty doesn't mean I will join the military and go on a giant illegal escapade,
Just because I play Skyrim doesn't mean I will learn how to sword fight.
Just because I play Hitman doesn't mean I want to become an assassin.
Also due to the fact that you think people in real life, are honourable and noble is gullible,
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:25:30 -
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Hey Everyone, I think we found Veer's long lost brother. 
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:29:27 -
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Behr Oroo wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:That's... simplest terms?
Bottom line is Eve is a niche sandbox and this is one of the reasons. Freedom to play in the sand your way means there will inevitably be those who enjoy stomping all over the nice sandcastles of others. This is exactly true. However it doesnt include the fact that when that person does kick down your sandcastle you cant go out and break their knees for doing it. At least not in a way I find satisfying. They go hide. I personally find this to be the most frustrating thing in the game.
Some do and some don't,
I've had plenty of corps retaliate effectively. I was apart of a corp called Deadly Fingertips at somepoint before to closed, we wardecced some alliance we noted to be around Amarr a lot.
We killed a few of there indy's and frigs.
They undocked 40 ravens on two vindicators and promptly got two 1.3bill isk killmails with no loses. I thought it was pretty ******* cool. XD
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:31:10 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:
The fact that you have no idea what im talking about (and obviously you dont) is worrying.
But looking at the world around me im not at all surprised.
Peace out then buddy.
If you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen,
Don't stay in bad company,
That sorta thing,
Oh. And Harden the **** up.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:18:38 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Black Pedro wrote:
All of this is by design. Eve is suppose to be a dark dystopia where there is no real punishment for anti-social conduct beyond what other players can provide.
Players are suppose to go down the wrong path. Players are not expected to choose good over evil. Players have the choice to do what they want - build or destroy. It is a competitive PvP game from its core.
None of this means the people playing this game are evil - it is after all just a game.
This really isn't true. Highsec is designed with an infallible police force that wipes out criminals, no matter how powerful they are. Your description may be accurate for nullsec, but certainly not for highsec.
Does anybody hear something? It seem really small and faint? Almost like something stuck on repeat.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:35:15 -
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Anslo wrote:3edgy5me bruh
Some people are quite nice in Eve, others are toxic. I, personally, decided to stay instead of abandon Eve and try to change it for the better. The last thing we need are more Jenna Sides.
*Jenn aSide
Also people make EVE great. It's it dirty that make EVE great.
Without Kane, Monk, the Guiding Hand Society, EVE wouldn't be EVE.
I find it funny that become are Toxic to people who Wardec, and suspect game, before they even actually know the person. They just assume that I am out to grief because I'm a wardeccer. If I'm playing the game as intended then there should be no reason for the hate, but there is, and it's because people seem to confuse Wardeccing and the such, as griefing, which it's not.
I'm actually a fairly nice person, right up until someone decides for me that I'm a psychopath.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:50:28 -
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GUYS
There it was again! It's like somebody is trying to say something...
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:53:29 -
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Anslo wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:GUYS There it was again! It's like somebody is trying to say something... I'll say something to you in bed bby ;D
No no I heard you...It was something...else....like a troll. A very very ugly troll...
Also you ran me out of your Cabin last time. =(
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:54:33 -
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I swear to god I heard it again...
Edit: Who is Johan talking to?
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:56:54 -
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THERE IT WAS AGAIN
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:00:08 -
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I don't like him >.>
Just Srrysly
RECORD PLAYER
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:05:58 -
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Right right, Veers sorry for trolling,
I obviously don't know what PVP really is.
Like really. No Clue,
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:09:04 -
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Emmmmm...
My Eff. % is better! XD
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:13:36 -
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Aye,
I work a ten hour job. =S Sucks trying to find time to play at points.
Lack of sleep+EVEGroggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages
Or Sleep+ kinda Groggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:16:52 -
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Anslo wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Aye,
I work a ten hour job. =S Sucks trying to find time to play at points.
Lack of sleep+EVEGroggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages
Or Sleep+ kinda Groggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages. I work 8-9 hour days in pharma bruh, and I'm a CEO. Sup? Come at me. COME @ ME
MAn, Ill rec you like I did you mum last nite.
ZZZzzzZ1v1 brah, COD4 M16 only. ZZZzzzZZZz
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:21:40 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I too, can lie about my real life accomplishments.
But I did do something involving outer space and hydraulic pistons this morning. Thank goodness I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the other night.
You think work with teenagers as an accomplishment?
Did you catch the Hormonal part? Like for the love of god if I have to talk to two more idiots about 'work relationships" and why it's not a good idea to call each other cunts.
Imma stab a *****.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:33:32 -
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Max Deveron wrote:A Wall of Text that is interesting
I feel for you bro. I tried to work with a group of newbies.
Most of them just argued with me and told me I didn't know what I was talking about.
As for the Mining thing. Your right, most people seem to think mining is the easiest way to make money at the start. Which is sad because they do get into a sink, where they think that nothing will ever happen that awesome. Just because they are not shown how epic EVE really can be.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:42:23 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time.
Asides from me and two other members of my corp, all who happen to be the 'originals', That is how we get members.
Osmosis.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:45:03 -
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broken record wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time. Because nothing says welcome to Eve like having your ship blow up and going straight into bankruptcy. CCP should probably just abolish rookie systems and make CONCORD not respond to aggression against players under a month old. That would definitely bolster the NPE *eyeroll*.
He said it would keep the GOOD players.
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:54:08 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:
I never flip out... you think you could use me?
If your willing to learn, and are not annoying. I'd take you.
However I dont think you would like our playstyle.
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:03:22 -
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Broken Recode wrote:
Oh dear, should I expect a wardecc? I'm terrified. You might find out that it's not always as easy as blowing up week old players in their ventures. Elite PvP and all.
Elite PVP
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:09:01 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Aeon Plex wrote:
Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap
Two year old RvB alt, with a bio that starts with "Ruthless", trying to duel to hull in Jita... cries newbie in GD... 9 pages in 9 hours. 10/10.
To be fair there waaas a fair bit of fuckery going on around the 6-8 pages.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:14:16 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Interesting read OP. Definitely some valid points.
"It's just a game right? Anything goes in the end. If you want to kill you kill, If you want to steal you steal. A lot of people think like that, more than I care to know, and in a way I get it. Even I used to think like that...but none of it's true. In a virtual world, there are things you have to protect because it's a virtual world. If you give into your impulses in here, it's gonna change who you are in the real world. The player and the character are one in the same."
-Kirito [SAO]
He was stuck in a world where pking would actually kill the player. XD
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:27:18 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Interesting read OP. Definitely some valid points.
"It's just a game right? Anything goes in the end. If you want to kill you kill, If you want to steal you steal. A lot of people think like that, more than I care to know, and in a way I get it. Even I used to think like that...but none of it's true. In a virtual world, there are things you have to protect because it's a virtual world. If you give into your impulses in here, it's gonna change who you are in the real world. The player and the character are one in the same."
-Kirito [SAO] He was stuck in a world where pking would actually kill the player. XD Not when he said that he wasn't....
Ah well...
I JUST FINISHED SEASON 2 I CAN'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING. XD
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:43:25 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Barton Breau wrote:
Things are rarely simple and clear cut, even if we would like them to be when using sweeping terms like "community", i suppose you can like the game while disliking some of the people and disagreeing on the mechanics that enable or even encourage them to behave in a way you find annoying.
Just saying.
EVE has been advertised for 11 years as a harsh , cold, cutthroat game world. Then 'some people' install it, get an account and play it, then complain on the forums that people are playing in a harsh, cold, cutthroat manner. WTF mate? In what universe does this make the least bit of sense? It's like being a Vegan, KNOWING McDonald's Chicken McNuggets are made from meat (well, mostly corn but some meat), ordering them anyways then getting ticked off at the fact that you just ate a meat product. If they advertise you should jump in the river after every game session you do that too? If i play checkers with my wife and i knock her teeth out everytime i get a bit overenthousiastic ... that would drastically shorten my marriage. And i have a great marriage!
You should have a great marriage, and I hope it stays great.
However again, Real Life, and Video games, are different.
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